We’ve had a couple of clients walking through our door lately who want a kitchen design and cabinet price. They don’t have any idea of the appliances and, furthermore, (and I quote): “Don’t want to be locked in yet” but somehow want a magical price to appear within a week and can’t figure out why we don’t jump all over it.
We want to help. We really do. The challenge is that the days of planning a kitchen without appliances are over. You might argue that your kitchen is not a high-end kitchen, that you’ve received pricing already and did just fine. But have you received your final pricing with the changes needed to match even the “standard” units?
There’s a double-whammy in design.
Two decades ago, I could design a kitchen in my sleep. We didn’t need the appliances until the time of the order. We didn’t have a lot of choices for cabinet modifications, and appliances were very “standard”.
Over a decade ago, refrigerators blew out of their size range. Cooktops and wall ovens grew larger, wider and deeper. Ranges had controls at the front. Range tops came in so many different thicknesses, you had to have a top installer to make them work.
I figure today a designer’s workload has quadrupled in the amount of time it takes to put a project together…and most designers can’t figure out a way to stretch their work weeks.
Getting multiple designs doesn’t help you and/or the folks you’re working with. Let me show you why.
Today, if you’re planning anything that requires brand-name manufacturers, you need to have some idea of your appliances.
A timeline:
- Your kitchen designer designs your first kitchen cabinet layout and gives you a price. Said layout takes anywhere from an hour for a stock cabinet design to over 4-8 hours for a custom design. So far, you’re not paying for anything.
- You decide you don’t want a range, you want a cook top and an oven and ask your designer to redesign. (This is an example for cabinet showrooms or large box stores. Most designers, like me, work on an hourly basis or a retainer.) At this point, you haven’t picked your appliances.
- You receive your price. You make your choice and place your order.
- Now you select your appliances and the designer designs a final layout, which could have been completed in the second go-round and could have saved you another 1 hour – 4 hours of design time. Yes, I have spent 4 hours redesigning – almost half is researching the specifications and the fine print and reconciling with a number of factors, such as: Will the building department accept as current code interpretation regarding burner clearance? Will the Homeowner’s Association allow the ducting noise? Those are two off the top of my head.
- After all that, you find -- Surprise! Your cabinet price came in higher. Why?
Here are three examples:
a) If you choose a Wolf oven, most of them are 24” deep.
As their specs read:
IMPORTANT NOTE: Unless you are using cabinets deeper than 24", it is recommended that the electrical supply be placed in an adjacent cabinet within reach of the conduit. Choose the location shown in the illustrations that best suits your installation
In other words, will you need to eliminate tray dividers on one side if it’s in a base? I can tell you that their specs are deceiving. Most cabinets have a back which will need to be cut out in order to add this oven unit…and/or you’ll need to order a deeper, custom unit. While you’re at it, some of these ovens are over 500 pounds. Make sure you have decent cabinets and/or consider extra support if the cabinet is a stand-alone.
b) If you chose the new Dacor range top, it’s a whopping 30” deep. Certainly won’t fit in an existing 24” deep cabinet. Further more, it’d block 1/3rd of the drawer below it. A custom cabinet could be designed for it; said cabinet would need finished side panels. Also something will need to be done about the toekick design.
c) Or perhaps you went simpler: the Electrolux range – which has a flared control top and an oven door which is wider than the oven itself. While it could technically fit into a standard range opening, any and all top drawers would be blocked, and so would the bottom drawers or doors in a frameless cabinet line.
In the meantime, multiply the design time by dozens of clients a week.
Usually, designers, architects, and builders get a combination of surprises like these.
In a custom line, it often means starting from scratch on one or two walls. It’s a domino effect. So that same design we used to say, “Sure, no problem. Let me make those changes for you” knowing that we’d spend no more than an hour max., can now take up almost a day. Multiply that by a dozen clients a week (conservative estimate, especially in a cabinet showroom), and hopefully you’ll see why a) we don’t want to start designing until we have all the facts and b) we’re simply running out of time.
Just wait until the recession is over.
What you can do before you go shopping for cabinets
You don’t have to buy them yet, but before you walk in for cabinets, consider:
- Appliance homework first
- Plumbing homework second
Get a list of both. That way you can discover early if your cabinet line has enough customization for your choices. Some stock and semi-custom lines surprisingly don’t, especially as we deal more and more with higher-end appliances. I’ve needed to switch two cabinetry choices for kitchens this year, because the design and integration of the appliances and plumbing fixtures wouldn't have been possible in the semi-stock line.
Save yourself the time, and in the case of design fees, money too. We’re all too busy these days.