Hi Kelly
I have an apartment in NYC with a very old kitchen unit. It's from the 1970s called a Modern Maid "Cook and Clean" and consists of an eye level oven mounted on top of a gas cooktop with a dishwasher underneath the cooktop. The dishwasher is actually a separate piece from the cooktop/oven. All 3 units need to be replaced now and there's only room in the small kitchen to replace within this space.
I'd really like to keep a dishwasher. The space is 30 inches wide. I have looked high and low to find a cooktop that can be placed over dishwasher and still come to about 37 inches in height total. There doesn't seem to be anything that exists. Have you seen a set up like this before in today's modern kitchens?
thanks!
Alexis
Hi Alexis,
Sorry to take a while to get back to you – I had to do some digging. I see this unit every so often here too, but without the dishwasher. We call it an "over-under oven". And yes – it’s no longer made and hasn’t been in some time.
This wasn’t a cobbled together unit either– it was designed by Modern Maid so the dishwasher (purchased separately) could be installed and/or replaced underneath the cooktop. Any dishwasher would do; however, since all 3 units are in trouble, you’ll definitely need some other options.
“One just can’t install a gas cooktop over
a dishwasher and call it quits.”
I find myself wondering that if there are kitchens where someone actually thought to install an oven over a cooktop, or a gas cooktop over a dishwasher. It shouldn't be done as it might void the manufacturers’ warranties, since they aren't designed for this application. Me, I start thinking of d/w insulation posing fire risk from the cooktop and wondering if the combination of standard appliances might violate a code or two.
The Modern Maid units were specifically manufactured to fit together like they did, much the same way today's compact kitchens do.
Avanti Compact Kitchen 30" (with my thanks to Rory Swann from Remodel Crazy for the idea). Unfortunately, none come with a dishwasher below them.
If you were my client (and since you said all the units have to be reinstalled into the same location, I might recommend the following:
With that in mind, here’s Fisher-Paykel new single DishDrawer. At 35-1/4” wide, it might work if you have the extra space. If not, then select a 24” wide single dishdrawer. You could add a door panel on it like below, if you wanted the drawer to disappear, but the basic reason for installing a single drawer is to we can position it as high or as low as needed for the cooktop depth (keeping in mind that we need to watch where gas supply line is.)
Fisher-Paykel Dishdrawer (via Appliancist)
Fisher-Paykel Integrated single DishDrawer, 24” wide
Where the old oven is I might suggest a speed oven. Not a microwave, a speed-oven. And not just any speedoven, but one that can withstand the heat of the gas cooktop below it.
“A gas cooktop or range
should be vented.”
You also have a second challenge –a gas cooktop should be vented (if I remember correctly, the vent in the Modern Maid is hidden behind that top compartment above the oven – lift it up and the fan starts. Or there’s a switch behind the panel - something like that.) Does yours vent now?
If so, we might look at the GE Cafe Advantium Speedcook oven, which would provide everything from speed cooking to convection to microwave. Yes, it is smaller, but you'd be amazed at what you can cook in it.
GE Cafe Advantium 120v Above-the-range oven, 30” wide
If your ventilation’s iffy (gas does, well, off-gas, and in a small area, I always wonder about long-term health if you’re an avid cook) or even worse, you don't have any ventilation, I might suggest an induction cooktop instead of gas.
(New York apartments electrical systems being what they are, I'd check if the induction would have enough electricity -- most of them require 40 to 50amps. Combined with a 220v speedcook, it could spell death to your electrical panel. Please check first before you buy your appliances.)
Miele’s Induction cooktop, 30” wide
Miele’s cooktop is only 3” high, and the specs recommend a minimum of 4-1/2” air clearance inside the cabinet from counter to the next surface inside the cabinet, which in your case is the dishwasher. That means no top drawer between the induction cooktop and the dishwasher, plus the cooktop needs at least 2” of clearance next to a wall. (Always read the specs!)
Unfortunately, none of choices are inexpensive and all of them rely on you changing out at least one or two cabinets in that section. Everything is custom except for the cooktop (even the new cabinet for the cooktop and dishdrawer will need to be custom), but at least it’s a start.
If anyone else has some ideas, please chime in. We can always use the help! Good luck with your remodel, Alexis!